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19 August 2018 @ 10:05 pm
Public Utilities  
So . . . is there any credible reason anyone would attempt to sabotage Disco's efforts to expand the water supply, build a sewer system, fire department, schools, police, public transit and so forth?

I mean, it would be useful if someone would object to it (or see political advantage) to making sure it didn't go smoothly. But I'd like a credible motive.
(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 03:25 am (UTC)
Perhaps as a way to slow, or make awkward, additional worlds being represented on Embassy. Maybe as part of a bid for control of the Council of Worlds, should one really coalesce, much like the Soviet jockeying for control of the UN General Assembly during the Cold War in order to be able to influence the proclamations they issue that some took seriously.

Or maybe somebody wants to not oppose publicly, but covertly make it difficult/impossible to carry out, as part of an effort to embarrass Disco/Xen/magicians.

Or if it needs approval by the representatives of the worlds on Embassy, maybe a faction wants to use it as leverage, opposing it until whatever demand they have is met. Maybe the "small" worlds want Disco to have more teeth so they've got better leverage negotiating with Earth and the Oners, or something.

(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 03:51 am (UTC)
My first thought is that the action of expanding those utilities is likely to expose something that would be either embarrassing or illegal (by someone's rules). The perpetrators are trying to delay things until they can get a situation cleaned up?

Has to be something actually physical, not just magical, and not something that can be scooped into a dimensional bag. Maybe someone was trying to tunnel into or near another embassy, and the pipes would expose that? electronic bugs seem too easy to destroy or make un-traceable (and also too detectable by magicians?)

I think this has to be someone who can not use magic, or is so low power that they can't use magical methods of achieving their original purpose.

Something awful enough that it would get whoever kicked off Embassy?

Somehow, the only way I can see a non-paranoid person being in this position is if they are so young and inexperienced that everything seems traumatic and full of drama, where an older person would think otherwise.

After arguing this for several paragraphs, I think Sean's reasons might be better.

(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 03:49 am (UTC)
Do we really need to make a list of people that would like to see Xen fail? Lets start on the One World with all those War party husbands...
(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 04:38 am (UTC)
So Mr Big shot, CEO of a huge multinational, multi planet consortium puts in an offer to run schools, police, transport etc etc and doens't take no for an answer.
The obvious place being a company from Warmonger earth but what about a company from Purple or one of the other earth's - aybe British Empire earth even...
so it's not political but commercial.....
James ResoldierJames Resoldier on August 20th, 2018 10:33 am (UTC)
Here's a thought... Why does there have to be a plot? Perhaps some spiders get into the sewer system all on their own. It would be like Florida's gators in the sewers only arachno-type... lol
(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 04:15 pm (UTC)
If it is spiders, then perhaps the One World quarantine control group is trying to show Disco that quarantines are there for a reason and they should not ignore them.
cnmckenney on August 20th, 2018 11:39 am (UTC)
A new cabal?
A cabal of various forces from multiple worlds that do not want Embassy able to support more refugees from the "RIGHT WAY" (however each group defines it). They will also be trying to subvert any attempts to create a local police force and court system they do not control. There will also be internecine covert warfare between the various groups making it harder to spot the overall support of the basic premise (no sanctuaries) in the fog of competing philosophies. And just to make sure things don't get too simple we will throw in a NEW GOD from Comet Fall. The god of 'evil deeds'/'chaos'/'autocrats' something antithetical to reasonable good order and free will. Limitation is similar to Just Deserts in that his affect fades with distance. He is there to spur on the chaos and generate a moving center of problems.
(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 12:35 pm (UTC)
Oner War Party: Anything to distract from Embassy diplomacy & treaties which preclude hostilities.

The initial infiltrators/spies from the world that sends "The Judge": Finding out who responds to what & how so as to identify who to blame for the destruction of Helaos & distract attention while slipping in more agents or a gate anchor.

Earth Construction company (owned by or associated with Earth Intelligence agencies?): Wanting to get the contract themselves.

Arbolians: Show up all the free "Gods" floating around without being enslaved? Or, again, a distraction while they do something, maybe an attempt at a snatch?
(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 01:41 pm (UTC)
Public Transit is always an exercise in political theater, especially if it involves rail of any sort. Great excuse for a political fight (or even a real one).

Schools as well.

Any of the worlds have anti-fluoridation idiots? That's a good spot for conflict. For sewer systems, well you've already setup the Fallen vs everyone else conflict over toilet location.

Fire department & police could both readily turn into political fights, particularly if one world ends up supplying a lot of the manpower.
James ResoldierJames Resoldier on August 20th, 2018 02:26 pm (UTC)
Credible reasons may include "preventing Comet Fall wizards access to embassy facilities".. I guess
matapampamuphoff on August 20th, 2018 03:10 pm (UTC)
You know, a sewer system into every embassy could be seen as a route to run optical cable spy systems. I could have Earth and Empire both trying to bug each other and detect any attempt to do the same to them.

And political knife fights over the fire/police/transit/school issues.

And, in case you're wondering, this will(might!) be the problem in _Children of a Foreign God_

And it has occurred to me that one-way pipes with spells to break down organics would be quite hazardous. And a good way to dispose of any inconvenient dead bodies.

Edited at 2018-08-20 03:20 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 04:18 pm (UTC)
Hazardous organic disposal?
Not necessarily. In "God of the Sun" Nil had a spell that broke down organics, unless they were alive then it left them alone (to the great relief of all the men and the amusement of the women.
1stew1stew on August 20th, 2018 04:28 pm (UTC)
horsing around
The GE horses get in a snit about something another power is planning to do with them...

They show their displeasure as a Meadow Muffin surprise on that embassy's front gate.

Said power (coupled with the CF magic Hybrid Car company) complains their sewer is not powerful enough to handle this "Surprise" due to CF cheating them on connections, thus the need for an "Independent" utilities governance.

Subtrefuge, spying, terrorism, ect...
(Anonymous) on August 20th, 2018 05:09 pm (UTC)
Obviously, these systems must be supplied by the lowest bidder, and they have to be non-magical so anyone can maintain them. (See Xen telling the Mayor to talk to his dad about sewer problems back in . . . Young Warriors, maybe?)

Surely there's a polity that can make that claim with a straight face.

mbarkermbarker on August 21st, 2018 12:43 am (UTC)
Back when, I worked on a weekly county newspaper for a while. Two different problems delayed a bunch of public works. One was simple -- when they wanted to put in clinics and hospitals, there were three different groups competing, who basically shot each other's proposals and schemes repeatedly. If I remember right, they finally solved that by blacklisting one outfit for illegal maneuvers, and had both of the other two put up versions of their proposals.

You have enough different groups that competition could keep things checkmated for quite a while.

The other problem was weirder. We had a group that tried to get one small town declared a historic zone, arguing that the old houses and such should be preserved. However, when we dug into it, it turned out that this would also block all water, sewage, electrical... basically, any modernization at all. Which caused enough stink in the public hearings that the historic zone proposal was killed.

I think you had someone trying to figure out the public laws recently. Zoning... yikes!
(Anonymous) on August 21st, 2018 01:50 am (UTC)

Heh, the "Historical Preservation" lobby wanting the whole world protected from further development 'cos they want "to get in on the ground floor" (aka "start protecting historical sites before they fall into disrepair in the first place").

should be implausible, but...
(Anonymous) on August 21st, 2018 05:37 am (UTC)
Either War Party or Earther who hate having to rely on those mutants magic.

mbarkermbarker on August 25th, 2018 08:15 am (UTC)
Just pondering... I’m not sure what gates and corridors do to public transit. I mean, you still need to move stuff around... whoops, bags of the prophets aka bubbles help a lot with that, too. Do you really need public transit with gates and corridors?

Which actually probably does a number on water and sewage, too, since a lot of their physical plant is tied up in pipes, which might either be replaced with a corridor or at least turn out to be aided a lot with the oneway, Maxwell’s demons processing, and so forth. I mean, put in a pipe with a magical filter separating the potable water from the other stuff, and send the results into two corridors to appropriate storage?

Whew. Magic corridors do a number on public utilities.
(Anonymous) on August 28th, 2018 02:01 am (UTC)
Need a good villain? Pax could show up again.

On another point, is it possible that Chow's people originally learned about the power genes from Elves? Otherwise how come the Dystopia elves can do magic? Bit of a coincidence for them to have such similar GE. Theirs could be natural and provide the original template where for power genes, longevity and magic were found for GE.
matapampamuphoff on August 28th, 2018 03:11 am (UTC)
Nah, remember how a couple of the Early Tellies escaped?

" "Oh, I don't really believe those old stories about hideous giants. Metaphorical giants of invention, more like, before the Great War . . . ah! That's got it. Now if we can synchronize both sides . . . "
The warlord withdrew as quietly as he had come. "

That's how the _Elves_ got magic. Their power gene is on the X chromosome, which is why land and title inheritance is mostly Warlord to grandson, through daughters.

" "No, sir. They treated us like children, like children they would adopt. Ebsa showed us things about power collection, and how to use magic as a weapon." Zhodan grinned. "Ngorei has grasped the magic. She will be the mother of your heir." "