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26 October 2017 @ 03:57 pm
Missed Opportunities  
Really, Almost a glaring error, rather than a missed opportunity.

The Tellies could affect computers directly, work with them, use them . . .

But I've got the Oners just using them in a perfectly ordinary fashion. A talent lost genetically, or just a road not taken, as niether Comet Fall nor the One had working computers for some time after their marooning/exile on their respective worlds. Emre's been submersed in the Hive Mind for a long time. But now I've got Nicholas.   Hmmm . . .  What to do, what to do . . .
(Anonymous) on October 26th, 2017 10:17 pm (UTC)
What about the Old Wolf's store of tech? And the computers Xen and others have brought from One World? The old hod's memory should have been tweeked
(Anonymous) on October 26th, 2017 10:26 pm (UTC)
Could it be a neglected but trainable skill like magifactoring? Perhaps mentioned in the myths about the old Warriors?
matapampamuphoff on October 26th, 2017 11:36 pm (UTC)
A hundred years after a nuclear war in the 1960's took out North America, Europe and Russia. The three new big powers fighting it out to control the ruins of the higher tech civ in hopes of finding things they can reverse engineer . . .

Eh, maybe they'd have been working up to computers by then. Certainly the Islamic Union would be trying to analyze anything the New Prophets gave them, but would they have the tech base to copy it?

So . . . maybe they got computers early enough that the Prophets could try to teach the Warriors, or more likely the Priests, how to influence computers. Or not. Maybe they'll figure this out on their own.
matapampamuphoff on October 26th, 2017 11:24 pm (UTC)
Yes, but there aren't enough computers around for them to affect.

The One World? Everyone's got a comp in the pocket, probably a big one at home, every office is full of them . . . and no one's noticed they can make it work weirdly when they think about what they'd like it to do?
(Anonymous) on October 26th, 2017 11:57 pm (UTC)
Well, that was noticed in games, first, probably with pseudorandom number generators.
So, either the Oners expect their computer games to favor the player, or, since winning ALL the time is just dull, stopped playing computer games. Then turned it into a snob thing.
I don't think we've ever seen a Oner play computer games, only Halfers-the kid Rael gave her old computer with Raod's backup on was arguing with her brother over computer usage and gaming, as I remember.

(Anonymous) on October 27th, 2017 12:29 am (UTC)
Maybe the particular genes for computer manipulation weren't among those the New Prophets had. Weren't they considered (by some) expendable because they lacked some of the abilities the others had?

matapampamuphoff on October 27th, 2017 01:13 am (UTC)
They lacked the dimensional abilities. But I believe I sometimes had them working with the others, so they probably had computer effects. They just weren't critical pieces of the machinery.
ekuah on October 27th, 2017 12:31 am (UTC)
My 50cent
The Prophets came into their world just after a nuclear war.
Nuclear weapons tend to generate EMPs which tend to fry computer chips.
Only military hardened computers would survive.

Also you described the Islamic Union as less dependent on high tech, so they could rebuild their forces more easily than their opponents. So it is unlikely that they had hardened computer in abundance.

So when the Prophets came all these private pocket and desktop computers were most likely just fancy paperweights and working computers were super rare in the Islamic Union

Before the war ended and computers were reintroduced into the lives of the population, all the remaining prophets were caught in The One.
Possibly they were just so moulded by the general subconsciousness that they basically forgot that such ability (directly affecting computers) existed.
matapampamuphoff on October 27th, 2017 01:27 am (UTC)
Re: My 50cent
No. think of our Earth in the 1960s. Cuban missile crisis, cold war. The computers were all huge mainframes, programmed in FORTRAN and COBAL.

That's the world that got nuked.

A hundred years later, the survivors have concentrated into three polities. The South American Union was probably the most advanced technologically, in as much as they had a manufacturing base and hadn't been bombed. The Islamic Union? They didn't have much of a tech base to start with, but were also desperately short of farmland. China? Without tech transfers they'd have remained an over-populated nation of farmers for some time.

So I suspect the Orange team landed in war not dissimilar to WWII. Tanks, guns, radio communication, TVs, antibiotics. Possibly some early computers. They just weren't a priority for the Prophets to experiment with, while threatened by the Imperial Chinese Army.
Robert AllabandRobert Allaband on October 27th, 2017 02:41 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50cent
Vacuum tubes are EMP proof and the majority of electronics during the 1960's was based on vacuum tubes including the mainframes of the day. However during regular use they have failure modes that IC's didn't such as breaking of the heating element in some tubes. So during a follow on war hunting down cache's of tubes outside of North America and Russia would be a priority or capturing a city that had a plant to make them. The other thing about tubes is that unlike IC's you can easily pull them from a piece of equipment and test them in a Tube Tester and the tester didn't require a lot of specialized skill or knowledge to use.
ekuah on October 27th, 2017 04:30 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50cent
I know that.
I have just misunderstood when those nuclear war was.

Basically only low voltage logics are susceptible EMP.
(With low voltage I mean stuff which is safe to touch)
matapampamuphoff on October 27th, 2017 06:02 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50cent
A few years to ensure their survival where they are (And allow the radioactivity to die down), and they'd have been hunting for stuff like that. And croplands, and heavy industry to build the tanks to defend "their" territory . . .

I'm sure there were tech advances during the century before the Arrival, but not to the point that the prophets' ability to fine tune and control computers was a useful skill to maintain and teach. I'll have to find some "Game Masters" who are subconsciously doing it, and have it get noticed.

Michawl DolbearMichawl Dolbear on October 27th, 2017 08:26 pm (UTC)
Come to think of it, various Fallen have tried 'direct effect on computers'.

Thus Q getting a 'tax refund' and various Eldon and Lord Iron efforts to make themselves a valid local identity.

I also think of cash cards as being computers (with memory and a display) but Q, I suppose, just made new cards rather than up value an existing one.