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06 October 2017 @ 01:13 pm
AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!  

Just shoot me now.

Xen's running a small compass with three Oners in _The Last Merge/Gate Team_:



:: Enough power. Now close your eyes and see what I see. :: An uneasy ripple as the blue of the inbetween superimposed itself on what they could see . . . then they all closed their eyes and studied the inbetween. He'd kept his own attention in close . . . :: This is the Helio's miniverse. Just five stars. Ours, the triple star system of Alpha Centauri, and over there, Barnard's Star.

He started to focus toward the Sun, but one of the other's protested.

:: Can you actually see planets around other stars? ::

Xen paused. :: I never looked. :: So he did. Easing closer to the largest star of the Alpha Centauri system.

:: A gas giant, like Jupiter, and there's a smaller planet . . . ::

Shift to the second star. :: Asteroids, two belts . . .  bet there's a planet in between. :: Skimming along . . . Right there. Small, no atmosphere. ::

This is a complication to the entire series that I did not need.

 
 
 
(Anonymous) on October 6th, 2017 08:19 pm (UTC)
Well the easy fix is to smack the curious Oner up beside the head and edit that part back out :)
ekuah on October 6th, 2017 09:46 pm (UTC)
Just let Xen state he is not good enough for it. Your writers life is complicated enough.
muirecanmuirecan on October 6th, 2017 10:09 pm (UTC)
Are you sure that Xen isn't just messing with the author?
matapampamuphoff on October 7th, 2017 08:44 pm (UTC)
Whirlpool. "See? Getting home from my rearranging the Alien's home world will be . . . not simple, but doable.
Michawl DolbearMichawl Dolbear on October 6th, 2017 11:11 pm (UTC)
This is observed in the inbetween?

If stars, why not planets?

But unless they have life, what does it matter?

Xen has to rescue aliens from a nova?

Interstellar corridors?
mbarkermbarker on October 7th, 2017 12:30 am (UTC)
Hey, if a gate can go from one brane to another, does it have to hit the same planet? Just a step to the left, shake your hips...and we’re in touch with andromeda 4. Different brane, but...
matapampamuphoff on October 7th, 2017 02:37 am (UTC)
But who cares? And if you do, then just do two gates, out to another brane, and then back into yours.
mbarker: Me typing?mbarker on October 7th, 2017 09:17 am (UTC)
True, and we already know most of the problems and opportunities with this planet, so why get involved with breaking into another planet when you have all these Parallel earths to explore?
ekuah on October 7th, 2017 09:35 am (UTC)
My 50 cent on this.
First: (About distances)
There were problems to create a corridor between earth an moon. The problems were solvable, but I guessing that a interstellar gate has much more serious problems.

Second: (about the target in a different brane)
If you are able to create a gate between earth on brane A and planet XYZ in the Andromeda galaxy on brane B, you should have problems to create another gate between planet XYZ on brane B and planet XYZ on brane A (your brane of origin)

Third:
Question what happens anchor one end of a corridor onto a fixed point, and drag the other end through an interdimensional gate? (mechanical made or cometfall made)
(Anonymous) on October 7th, 2017 04:01 pm (UTC)
RE: My 50 cent on this.
1. No life on other planets. Earth's scientists get into less mischief for the next eleventy years as they try to figure out why.
2. Cause of Helios original disaster was never stated. Gates go from one brane to another. Gates sync time. Time is . . . problematic, with the gravitational differences between solar systems, etc. Connecting to a different planet is how you get a Helios.

Holly
ekuah on October 7th, 2017 04:52 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
I think you misunderstood my points

First was mentioned, because I think that these immense three dimensional distances would create problems.

Second was mentioned because mbarker said that the gate to Andromeda would be to another brane:
"...and we’re in touch with andromeda 4. Different brane, but..."
I my comment was that this won't be a problem.
Because once you made the detour to a different brane, you can easily build a gate back to any planet on your home brane.
(Anonymous) on October 7th, 2017 05:23 pm (UTC)
RE: Re: My 50 cent on this.
Ekuah,
I was trying to add my thoughts, not reply to you. I'll blame livejournal or my android . . .

Holly
ekuah on October 7th, 2017 07:55 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
Then, please accept my humble apology.
matapampamuphoff on October 7th, 2017 09:02 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
Captured bubbles can pass through a gate. Bubbles anchored in one world cannot be stretched through a gate. They pop.

The Earth to Moon corridor in _British Empire_ gets a bit twisted as the Earth spins and Moon orbits. They replace it every three months or so.

I think the velocity differences between planets will be best addressed by sticking to the region around Earth to minimize the number of factors involved. Velocity of the galaxy through space, the direction of the star as it orbits the center of the galaxy, and then there's the orbital speed and direction and orientation of the two planets relative to each other. And the rotation of the planet.

Obviously they will have to set up gates as "wormholes" in space. Then some sort of space worthy vehicle of a size that can get though a gate. It'll need steering jets, but teleportation and slinging partway around planets to change trajectories, then once you've matched the surface velocity, you can teleport down. It'll be getting that first recognition point that will be the trick.

And you take off by teleporting from the surface to space. (And how does one "recognize" a point in space?)


Edited at 2017-10-07 09:04 pm (UTC)
ekuah on October 7th, 2017 10:03 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
Didn't the first test objects friction burns in the moon to British Empire corridor?

The average orbital speed of the moon around the earth is ~1 km/s

The relative differential speed between Andromeda and the Milkyway is ~114 km/s

And differential speed between the sun and Andromeda is around 300 km/s

"AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!" would be indeed the most likely comment of the first earth-to-Andromeda corridor traveler.



matapampamuphoff on October 8th, 2017 01:17 am (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
Yes. Keep in mind that 1km/s is 3600km/hr.

Hence the friction burn. They adjusted the time effects of the corridor bubble so it was safe for human travel.

This is the main reason I think travel of this nature, even just to the nearest stars, is best done between two points in empty space.
ekuah on October 8th, 2017 01:36 am (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
And 300 km/s are whooping 0.1% of lightspeed.
Or Mach 875. Imagine those friction burns.
James ResoldierJames Resoldier on October 9th, 2017 02:53 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
I think, until someone with vastly superior dimensional abilities (even compared to Q) develops the ability to have a 1000/1 time ratio present in an "open" corridor (i.e. one that is exposed to the space time influence of the universe), we're going to have to put space-travel by corridor back into Pandora's box.
matapampamuphoff on October 9th, 2017 08:35 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
Space to space will work--assuming you can get to the space corridor, and after transit maneuver to match velocities and land at your destination.

However, you've got to get the far end of the corridor where you want it.

Gate pairs in and out of other universes are actually easier. And also easier to land someplace where the matter all around is moving very fast relative to you. So you don't want to go too far. Stick to a 30LY radius of the Sun and the velocity differential should be reasonable.
matapampamuphoff on October 9th, 2017 08:48 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
If I get into space travel via dimensional affects, I'll emphasize that the effort it takes to emplace the far side of a gate away from the congruent location of the starting point increases with distance.
(Anonymous) on November 22nd, 2017 01:51 am (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
How about a corridor up to geosync orbit? Teleportation not needed and fairly low energy requirements to get elsewhere in the solar system.
matapampamuphoff on November 22nd, 2017 12:50 pm (UTC)
Re: My 50 cent on this.
The British Empire world is exploring all sorts of interesting things to do with corridors. The corridor to the Moon was just the start--and a handy quarantine station for the Mars corridor they have enroute.

The problem with Geostationary is the Van Allen belts. It's not a place that people should spend a lot of time in.

I also suspect that there's a lot of momentum change involved. Not noticeable when the destination is a large celestial object, but a potential problem for an orbital station. Not that that couldn't be fixed with the addition of mass, but the best nearest location might be where the orbital velocity matches the Earth's surface velocity once an orbit . . . which I need to drag out the physics books and figure out just where that is.